有关欧盟长居，回国工作和医疗保险的相关问题
我想问几个关于回国工作和医疗保险相关的问题1. 拿到欧盟长居后准备回国工作，目前的医疗保险是AOK,请问如果一旦在德国没有了医疗保险，欧盟长居是否还继续有效
2. 如果回国工作，是否还有必要保留在德国的AOK保险，并且附加境外医疗保险，以便AOK能够负担在中国的医疗费用
3. 我以后还是要回到德国，所以针对是否还要继续保留德国AOK还是回德国后再重新办理保险一直不知怎么办好，希望有经验的朋友能给些参考建议。
谢谢，一同参与讨论。 顶，同关注！ 同关注 一年中如果离开德国累计半年以上, 长居就作废了. 一年中如果离开德国累计半年以上, 长居就作废了.
fatbird_cool 发表于 2009-4-25 19:08 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
楼上有点文不搭题啊？ 这方面的经验有的估计不多。有经验的人都在国内混，一般不上这个坛子。
我不知道，如果不是Entsendung的vertrag，是否还可以保留AOK。。。 顶！关注！
但是fatbird_cool 说的好像有此说法，因为超过半年，主要居住地就不是在欧盟了，没有理由保留欧盟长居... LZ你要是国内没有医疗保险的话我觉得还是保留的好，以防万一啊 顶！关注！
但是fatbird_cool 说的好像有此说法，因为超过半年，主要居住地就不是在欧盟了，没有理由保留欧盟长居...
FeelingDD 发表于 2009-6-8 15:19 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
错， 正好相反，现在目前暂定为离开欧盟如果连续超过12月，欧盟长居作废。(但欧盟制订该方针的计划未来是将这12月期限延长到两年。)
从欧盟的原始文件和德国移民法中都指出只有连续超出12月不在欧盟。
(9) Die Erlaubnis zum Daueraufenthalt-EG erlischt nur, wenn
1. ihre Erteilung wegen Täuschung, Drohung oder Bestechung zurückgenommen wird,
2. der Ausländer ausgewiesen oder ihm eine Abschiebungsanordnung nach § 58a bekannt gegeben wird,
3. sich der Ausländer für einen Zeitraum von zwölf aufeinander folgenden Monaten außerhalb des Gebiets aufhält, in dem die Rechtsstellung eines langfristig Aufenthaltsberechtigten erworben werden kann,
4. sich der Ausländer für einen Zeitraum von sechs Jahren außerhalb des Bundesgebiets aufhält oder
5. der Ausländer die Rechtsstellung eines langfristig Aufenthaltsberechtigten in einem anderen Mitgliedstaat der Europäischen Union erwirbt.
Auf die in Satz 1 Nr. 3 und 4 genannten Fälle sind die Absätze 2 bis 4 entsprechend anzuwenden.
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Article 22
Withdrawal of residence permit and obligation to readmit
1. Until the third-country national has obtained long-term resident status, the second Member State may decide to refuse to renew or to withdraw the resident permit and to oblige the person concerned and his/her family members, in accordance with the procedures provided for by national law, including removal procedures, to leave its territory in the following cases:
(a) on grounds of public policy or public security as defined in Article 17;
(b) where the conditions provided for in Articles 14, 15 and 16 are no longer met;
(c) where the third-country national is not lawfully residing in the Member State concerned.
2. If the second Member State adopts one of the measures referred to in paragraph 1, the first Member State shall immediately readmit without formalities the long-term resident and his/her family members. The second Member State shall notify the first Member State of its decision.
3. Until the third-country national has obtained long-term resident status and without prejudice to the obligation to readmit referred to in paragraph 2, the second Member State may adopt a decision to remove the third-country national from the territory of the Union, in accordance with and under the guarantees of Article 12, on serious grounds of public policy or public security.
In such cases, when adopting the said decision the second Member State shall consult the first Member State.
When the second Member State adopts a decision to remove the third-country national concerned, it shall take all the appropriate measures to effectively implement it. In such cases the second Member State shall provide to the first Member State appropriate information with respect to the implementation of the removal decision.
4. Removal decisions may not be accompanied by a permanent ban on residence in the cases referred to in paragraph 1(b) and (c).
5. The obligation to readmit referred to in paragraph 2 shall be without prejudice to the possibility of the long-term resident and his/her family members moving to a third Member State. 关注
错， 正好相反，现在目前暂定为离开欧盟如果连续超过12月，欧盟长居作废。(但欧盟制订该方针的计划未来是将这12月期限延长到两年。)
从欧盟的原始文件和德国移民法中都指出只有连续超出12月不在欧盟。
(9) ...
chitim 发表于 2009-6-8 17:15 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
谢谢纠正！很有用！顶！
英文部分以前没查阅过，不过不太明白所提到的first, second member state and the third-country national... 能否解释一下？ 大家好，我是时浩保险经纪公司的，我们代理的不是保险公司，而是顾客的代言人，如果愿意让我们为你服务的话，我们一定尽力给你找到一个最合适你的解决办法，自己不用操心，服务对顾客是免费的 http://www.sh-makler. ...
露露露 发表于 2009-6-8 22:58 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
但是，私人医保，只有收入超过一定额度的时候才可以。一旦低于这个额度，就会被私报拒绝。如果不常驻德国，基本上在德国没有收入可言。还能被私保接受么？
谢谢纠正！很有用！顶！
英文部分以前没查阅过，不过不太明白所提到的first, second member state and the third-country national... 能否解释一下？
FeelingDD 发表于 2009-6-9 11:24 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32003L0109:EN:HTML
Article 9
Withdrawal or loss of status
1. Long-term residents shall no longer be entitled to maintain long-term resident status in the following cases:
(a) detection of fraudulent acquisition of long-term resident status;
(b) adoption of an expulsion measure under the conditions provided for in Article 12;
(c) in the event of absence from the territory of the Community for a period of 12 consecutive months.
2. By way of derogation from paragraph 1(c), Member States may provide that absences exceeding 12 consecutive months or for specific or exceptional reasons shall not entail withdrawal or loss of status.
3. Member States may provide that the long-term resident shall no longer be entitled to maintain his/her long-term resident status in cases where he/she constitutes a threat to public policy, in consideration of the seriousness of the offences he/she committed, but such threat is not a reason for expulsion within the meaning of Article 12.
4. The long-term resident who has resided in another Member State in accordance with Chapter III shall no longer be entitled to maintain his/her long-term resident status acquired in the first Member State when such a status is granted in another Member State pursuant to Article 23.
In any case after six years of absence from the territory of the Member State that granted long-term resident status the person concerned shall no longer be entitled to maintain his/her long term resident status in the said Member State.
By way of derogation from the second subparagraph the Member State concerned may provide that for specific reasons the long-term resident shall maintain his/her status in the said Member State in case of absences for a period exceeding six years.
5. With regard to the cases referred to in paragraph 1(c) and in paragraph 4, Member States who have granted the status shall provide for a facilitated procedure for the re-acquisition of long-term resident status.
The said procedure shall apply in particular to the cases of persons that have resided in a second Member State on grounds of pursuit of studies.
The conditions and the procedure for the re-acquisition of long-term resident status shall be determined by national law.
6. The expiry of a long-term resident's EC residence permit shall in no case entail withdrawal or loss of long-term resident status.
7. Where the withdrawal or loss of long-term resident status does not lead to removal, the Member State shall authorise the person concerned to remain in its territory if he/she fulfils the conditions provided for in its national legislation and/or if he/she does not constitute a threat to public policy or public security. 顶，有同疑问 同样问题，谢谢解答。 以前听说如果长时间离开德国，保险公司有个Anwartschaft，每个月交少量的钱，可以保证你随时回来后的保险位置。这有个链接，大家可以看看，
http://www.auslandstreff.de/10tipps.html 个人浅见：国家保险更好些，最起码在失业的时候保险是由AA给你负责，私人保险在失业的时候恐怕就得自己消化了。
不是的，这个上限叫Pflichtgrenze，即不到这个上线的雇员，必须参加国家保险，超过这个上限就不受限制了，可以自己选择公保或私保，私保的保险费用和你的收入完全无关，所以你完全可以申请进入私保，他们不会因为 ...
shm 发表于 2009-8-9 15:04 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
私保的费用固然同收入无关。但是能否参加私保是取决于收入的，没有达到每月4050就无法参加。
作为雇员，收入没有达到每月4050就必须参加公保，所以才不需要参加私保，不然就保重复了。能否入私人保险和收入无关。如果你真想入私保，我们可以为你办理，决不会因为收入而拒绝，私人保险和个人身体条件，入保年 ...
shm 发表于 2009-8-9 19:44 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
办理的话手续上市可以，一旦入了私保就回不去公保了吧。如果收入不高又有失业风险，还推荐人入私保，你们真正为客户考虑过风险吗？ 我想问几个关于回国工作和医疗保险相关的问题
1. 拿到欧盟长居后准备回国工作，目前的医疗保险是AOK,请问 ...
Volkslieder 发表于 2009-3-19 10:43 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
同问， 我们也有这个问题呢。。。 同问，谁了解这种情况给讲解下好吗
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